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Cablenut Support => Cablenut Program Support => Topic started by: dannjr on March 25, 2003, 07:29:48 pm

Title: AOL and the Cablenut Program
Post by: dannjr on March 25, 2003, 07:29:48 pm
Lots of people that come here for info. Including Veterans of this Site.
In one way or another you have had AOL. I think we all have at one time. I did back in 1994 to 1995

Heres the Deal We are writting a Article on AOL.
We would like to offer up the chance to add to it.
Some of your suggestions may even make it in the Article.. Keeping that in mind
Things that wont be considered is the use of certain word or wording.. We all know the words like AOL $u%ks. This is an attemp to show exactly how AOL is done.

Here's the Article as seen now..

The CableNut Program and AOL
Written and Edited by Dannjr & Mnosteele with help of a cast of hundreds that have had AOL in the past

We would like to point out some information on AOL to help you better understand the problems you have and will experience if you havenít already. Please read this article as there is some information you might find insightful and helpful.

The CableNut program was written to support Windows products on the Windows TCP/IP protocol, it was never intended to help with AOL. AOL has its own TCP/IP and they utilize the Windows VPN protocol (Virtual Private networking) along with uploading 125 megabytes of information to your computer for advertising and cached web pages so that you donít have to download them to your machine based on profiling you the user.

Not only will they add that extra unneeded data to your machine they also take even more control of your system by adding 1500 or more lines of code to the Windows registry, a typical ISP only adds about 250 lines. Some of the lines they add to the registry have to do with Intuit products more specifically Quicken. If youíre like most of us you donít want to have to worry about your finances being secure, especially if you do online banking or purchasing. You could save some of the money by using another ISP, AOL is $24.95 a month where Net Zero is only $9.95. Or even for Dialup is cheap $13.95 and you can be on 24hours a day 7 days a week with no time limit.

Recently a test was run with the Agnitum Outpost firewall to see what data AOL is actually sending and receiving from your computer. A firewall is similar to the firewall between two buildings, it keeps the fire in or keeps the fire out, as a computer firewall monitors data coming in and going out.
While running the firewall 15 different IP addresses showed up from AOL trying to send and receive data, more than just the information that the user wanted share. A Typical ISP (Internet Service Provider) will supply you with one IP address and you might get scanned by one other IP from that same ISP and that is all that is actually needed.  AOL won't even let you enable XP's built in firewall....... makes you wonder why huh?
It makes you wonder what information AOL is tracking about you huh? AOL chat, better known as the AIM or AOL Instant Messenger only needs two IP addresses to send and receive for a good chat to work. Why then are there 15 or more IP addresses showing up with the FREE chat without the AOL software.
On top of that, why would you use AOL IM and have them splash ads in your face all day when there are excellent FREE alternatives such as Trillian which you can use to chat with ALL the IM interfaces out there, Including your AOL buddys.

Typically we tell people to test there systems for spyware. Thatís malicious code that tracks you and sends out data without your permission. Generally this is advertising agents, data minors or bits and pieces that get on your machine over time with surfing but it can be much worse.
Spyware can disable your firewall, slow your computer or internet connection to a crawl and even completely crash your operating system. A typical week on a system without AOL can get an average of 14 pieces of spyware on there system with just normal web surfing.
With AOL the average is 92 in one day. Spyware can also be used to profileyou, this way the next time you do a search for a game or clothing youíre taken to a web site that AOL or the profile tells you to go, not where you intended to go. On the average if you buy something and you have been profiled you will pay at least 10% more for the same item you could have gotten for less! Keep in mind that is based on averages. It could be even worse.
OK we have established what can get on your machine but you still defend AOL. How about all that SPAM you receive daily in your AOL email inbox? AOL is one of the easiest emails to hack and spam and spammers know this that is why you are targeted. You say all your email and email addresses are on AOL or maybe CompuServe, well you donít need AOL or CompuServe software to do use their email.
It can all be done from the web pages at AOL or, if you havenít tried it go look.
Then you say what about my email address book? If you sign up with a different ISP you can still have AOL at a lesser price if you insist on keeping them. Or as we suggest, keep them just long enough to send out a couple of batch emails to all your friends telling them your new email address. You do that a couple of times and your new address book will fill up. You might even get rid of all that spam you kept getting from AOL.

Things to look at with a new ISP.

Make sure they donít require more than dialup networking, this requires no software from them, just an email client like Outlook Express and the Windows TCP/IP stack, Generally FREE and already loaded with the Operating system. You donít need AOL TCP and VPN.
Ask if they have online email similar to AOL, most IPSís do. You can get to your email from anywhere in the world, as well as a customizable homepage tailored to your needs.
Without the AOL software on your machine your surfing experience will be twice the speed and you will be able to get to all web sites. Recently I also tried to get to web sites that AOL attempts to block, they say itís for your good, trust me itís for their good. Remember the longer they keep your interest in their products the better for them.
AOL Broadband, thatís an oxymoron. Did you know that they disconnect you even on broadband after a certain amount of time? They limit your MTU (Maximum Transmission Unit) to 1400 (1500 is the internet standard) so they can limit your bandwidth thereby saving themselves money.
But even better they keep the TCP/IP stack lower so that you donít seem to get flooded and so they can upload advertising at will. That can go on 24 hours a day 7 days a week! Think about it there in your machine even when you sleep.

The people at AOL will deny this as most of them donít know and the ones that do wonít tell you even if you ask. We recently had a Beta tester from AOL on the site in the Discussion Forum that was so adamant about AOL that no matter what we said to prove the problems he denied most of it and tried to justify the rest.
If you continue to use AOL itís your choice, but you have been advised on what it can and will do to your privacy and computer.

If you need to tweak it (make it faster) keep in mind that your tweaking is very limited. After that itís up to you to stay with them or get a better ISP. But keep in mind if you decide to tweak and make it better you might be in the discussion forum for awhile after all each version of AOL is different.
AOL and Windows XP users please listen up. AOL IS NOT installed by default, the install files are setup for you to install. The Install files can simply be uninstalled before you install all the registry items and programming on your system. The same is true of the MSN messenger, it to can be disabled.
We do believe in fun here on DSLnuts and we do believe in trying to make your connection better.

Cost factor that we probably shouldmention. If AOL is $21.00 a month and you have only one phone line and you get disconnected and have to reconnect. Depending on your local call package it can cost you a average of $16.00 Additional per month on top of your AOL bill. For a total of $37.00 a month. If your paying $23.00 a month it all adds up.
If you feel the need stop in the Discussion forum and ask. Keep in mind that there are allot of people that have left AOL because of the information above prior to writing this.
AOL believes in one thing only getting all the money it can out of you. They even get a cut of what you buy when you go to a search through them. Weíre all for free enterprise. But at what cost to you. Even JD powers, rates AOL at the bottom of the heap of excellence. If anyone was to tell you AOL Sucks. I donít believe its AOL or its users. Its is the current administrators CEO and Board members since 1994.

Thanks for your time hope to see you in the discussion forum. Running fast.  
This is a work in progress.

Remember we're looking for Good Input to add to this work in progress

Thanks from all of us  ;D  8)
Title: Re:AOL and the Cablenut Program
Post by: mccoffee on March 27, 2003, 02:10:04 pm
does  this mean i have lower standards cause i use i got  mail  
Title: Re:AOL and the Cablenut Program
Post by: mnosteele on April 23, 2003, 10:17:04 am
HMMM more AOHELL stuff here (

 :o ::)
Title: Re:AOL and the Cablenut Program
Post by: oftentired on May 20, 2003, 07:58:28 pm
does  this mean i have lower standards cause i use i got  mail  

The answer is both yes and no. Because standards are opinions. Your execution of your life decisions that do not break that law are up to you. Just like buying a car or piece of clothing. It is your personal preference. If, after understanding the facts, you purchase the car on the market with the worst crash test and reliability ratings and then wear the most obscene clothing available while doing your driving, "so what"?

It has four wheels and goes down the road and your happy enough being comfortable wearing your clothes and it does not break the law. It is your choice.

If it meets your personal criteria then it is not a "lower standard." You set the standards for yourself. So measured by your standards the answer to your question is, no. Measured by another man's standards the answer may be, yes.

I personally think that AOL software qualifies as a virus. However, it is pretty darn good at doing what it does. There is no other program on the face of this earth that can hold your hand while you go potty as well as AOL. And if it suits a person to use AOL then why should they not do so? If over the course of time they become aware of reasons why not and continue to do so it is their choice. Just like buying a car or piece of clothing.

Have a nice day.

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Title: Re:AOL and the Cablenut Program
Post by: mccoffee on June 03, 2003, 01:15:17 am
oftentired it's  a comedy bit      this   mentally handicapped guy  calls tech support  and he  just  saids  "I got mail yeah yeah yeah" :P
Title: Re:AOL and the Cablenut Program
Post by: tx_tech_red_raider on June 26, 2003, 11:08:37 pm
I would like to hang my head in shame, but yes, I was an AOL Customer about two years ago before I found out about what dannyjr posted.  I was so angry that I cancelled my AOL account, bit the bullet and got DSL set up, then ripped out over 1700 registry entries that the AOL uninstaller forgot to remove.  

I thought I had seen the last of AOL on my PC....I was wrong.

Later I went over to and they recommended that I download and use DRTCP and change the RWIN to a suitable DSL value.  I made the change and rebooted.  About a week later, I found the RWIN to be a different value than what I had set.  AOL had messed with my TCP IP to only have a RWIN of X, and it would not let me change that value, EVEN AFTER I HAD UNINSTALLED AOL COMPLETELY.  I would up formatting and reinstalling Windows, but what a pain!

Title: Re:AOL and the Cablenut Program
Post by: MyDaDdY on October 12, 2003, 09:28:37 pm
Ok, I am moving to Pennsylvania. Right now I'm in Jersey. I used to live on 50th street but we had to rent this house at 75th for a couple weeks because the 50th street house had an earlier closing date then the house in PA. When I lived in 50th I had Verizon DSL. I used a program called mIRC and when I looked at my pool info when I first got DSL it was:
( the x's are ip, I dont rememeber it )
I looked at this everyday to get my IP, because I had a dynamic IP address and I used NetMeeting alot with my friend. My DSL was pretty fast. compared to the AOL I had earlier. Then about 2 months into my DSL. One day I looked at the pool info and I saw that it had changed to:
then I was like, oh they switched me to Newark, I'll like its right there. A couple miles away. Well, I wanted to die I was getting lower speeds then 28.8 K in the "Verizon Online speed Test"
But I play a game called Counter-Strike and I had alot of lost packets in the game. Now Since I moved to 75th for a couple weeks I have AOHELL again. But can anyone tell me how to remove all registry for AOHELL. Or will I have to reformatt. And please someone tell me how to get rid of the messanger service pop-ups. They are annoying. Thanks in advance.

Title: Re:AOL and the Cablenut Program
Post by: dannjr on October 13, 2003, 10:47:54 am
This thread is to tell your experance with AOL, not a help thread. If you need advise on how to get rid of AOL start a new thread.

Note:Uninstall of AOL still leaves allot behind in the registry it even attached itself to Quicken and Quickbooks. In most cases to get rid of AOL is to re-format and reload. But it dosnt need to be done till after you backup your important data. like pictures, email, documents, invoices, quicken, music and more put them on CD-RW so you can recover your stuff to your system.
If you have a seperate drive on the system you can copy your important data to that drive.
AOL in the registry slows all machines to a crawl.
Title: Re:AOL and the Cablenut Program
Post by: chpalmer on November 21, 2003, 09:04:56 pm

Title: Re:AOL and the Cablenut Program
Post by: Mlum on March 05, 2004, 11:24:04 am
 So what you are saying is that the Cablenut Program will not work with AOL and downloading it will be a waste of time?
Title: Re:AOL and the Cablenut Program
Post by: dannjr on March 05, 2004, 01:53:13 pm
So what you are saying is that the Cablenut Program will not work with AOL and downloading it will be a waste of time?

AOL is a managed software meant to use up your system resources even with the new changes
Basically your buying into a company that controls you and even who you can contact.
They can even look into what you send.. There probably one of the companies that pushed legislation in the states to make it illegal to run a firewall.. Thats in some states

Basically if you dont need your privacy get AOL,  msn or earthlink.. They want to know everything you do...
Title: Re:AOL and the Cablenut Program
Post by: EvilMod on March 05, 2004, 07:49:59 pm
I use AOL and there isn't one bit of kbit slowdown when I'm surfin/downloading the net.

It uses lots of recourses.. but what program this large doesn't?
Title: Re:AOL and the Cablenut Program
Post by: jjk454ss on May 25, 2004, 06:30:46 pm
This thread was started over a year ago, are the things said still true?  I use AOL 9.0, but I only use it because it is the fastest I have tried.  I live to far away from the CO that I can't get ADSL, and I tried only one other dialup, but it was supposed to be one of the better ones, and it was much slower than AOL.  I am not saying it is fast, just faster than the other.  And I have never had problems with unexpectadly disconnecting or any other problems.  I would like to find a different ISP, only because I don't like the AOL price, and I would rather not have all the AOL junk on my computer, but going to a slower ISP is not worth it.  

Any ideas for faster ISP's and I will definatly try them.
Title: Re:AOL and the Cablenut Program
Post by: mccoffee on May 25, 2004, 06:46:19 pm
it depends what is in your area  you could  try getting a cable modem provider.

What's your  zip code i could see what's avalable
Title: Re:AOL and the Cablenut Program
Post by: jjk454ss on May 25, 2004, 07:18:18 pm
My zip is 49423.  I have looked into cable, what I found are two providers in my area.  The first one, Comcast, when I talk to them they tell me to try Charter.  And Charter, the second one, they tell me to try Comcast.  That left me thinking that I must not be able to get cable.  I would like to find out how close cable does come to my house, and which provider it actually is, but the cable company themselves haven't benn much help.

Another thing I have been wondering about is a technician came out when I ordered DSL, he said I am just barely over the distance for DSL, but the noise level in the lines tested fine, so they probably would try it.  But I just got a letter saying I was too far from the CO.  Would another company possibly try DSL or is the distance thing set in stone.

Any ideas on finding a faster provider, dialup, cable, dsl, anything but satellite(too much $), would be appreciated.
Title: Re:AOL and the Cablenut Program
Post by: mccoffee on May 25, 2004, 07:36:03 pm
i'm starting to see your frustation i went to another site to search for isp's  and could find squat.  According to comcast's webiste   they have interent in your area
Title: Re:AOL and the Cablenut Program
Post by: jjk454ss on May 25, 2004, 07:52:29 pm
They have service in my ZIP, but I not at my address, and I can't seem to get the info out of them to see how close they do come.  It doesn't seem like it would be that hard to find out.  If I can't get high speed, how can I tell was Dialup ISP's would be the best for me?  Basically the fastest, just try them?
Title: Re:AOL and the Cablenut Program
Post by: mccoffee on May 25, 2004, 09:24:37 pm
you could try netzero high speed or juneo it's not as bloated as aolhell  plus it does have the  software accelerator it's a tough call.
Title: Re:AOL and the Cablenut Program
Post by: dannjr on May 25, 2004, 10:40:04 pm
UUnet direct dialup accounts are still the rock solid fast connections

from the link above
56k Monthly
 Month by Month
56k One Year
 One Year
56k Two years
 Two Years

One thing that most dont get is you still get allot of your web pages updated in your machine by aol instaed of getting a updated page in allot of cases.
What you think is fast with aol is mostley cache.

Comcast in your area keep beating tham up over it and ask a few of your neighbors to help.. If they get enough calls they will update you
Title: Re:AOL and the Cablenut Program
Post by: jjk454ss on May 26, 2004, 09:21:18 am
Thanks, I will look into UUnet.

I will also take your suggestion and keep pressing the Cable company, and havethe neighbors do the same.

Title: Re:AOL and the Cablenut Program
Post by: jjk454ss on May 26, 2004, 12:06:33 pm
Thanks for the help.  I signed up with this morning.  They are a more local company, about 30 minutes away, so I thought I would give them a try.  I also signed up with for there accelerator.  Like I said, I just did this a couple hours ago, but so far I am happy.  I will start studying up on this site, and see what tweaks I can do, and if it stays good like this.  I will attempt to get all the AOL stuff off my computer and stick with Triton.  Thanks
Title: Re:AOL and the Cablenut Program
Post by: tsranch on July 24, 2005, 11:08:25 pm
AIM alone without AOL.  Haven't used AOL for over 10 years but still use AIM.  The interesting thing here is AIM is installed on the "D" and had to reformat the "C" due to a virus that just wouldn't go away.  Without all the registry additions from AIM, AIM still works without reinstalling, my download bench went from 3500-3800 to over 4500 and COX has it capped at 4000.  Still use the "Adjuster" with my own CSS that I saved. OS is xp-home-sp1
Title: Re:AOL and the Cablenut Program
Post by: mnosteele on July 24, 2005, 11:21:58 pm
AIM alone without AOL.  Haven't used AOL for over 10 years but still use AIM.  The interesting thing here is AIM is installed on the "D" and had to reformat the "C" due to a virus that just wouldn't go away.  Without all the registry additions from AIM, AIM still works without reinstalling, my download bench went from 3500-3800 to over 4500 and COX has it capped at 4000.  Still use the "Adjuster" with my own CSS that I saved. OS is xp-home-sp1

Get rid of AIM and use Trillian, you won't regret it.

Title: Re:AOL and the Cablenut Program
Post by: The Pretty One on October 12, 2005, 04:47:02 pm
dannjr this post was such a pain in my rear, but thank you very much for it. I tested AO Hell through a commercial firewall on a Linux server with connection passing through on systems used for research and web at school. The firewall was set to a passthrough state but logging, just to see how many IP's get direct replies to inbound events and which were simply support for AOL. More than 30 were flagged as AOL IP domains. Whats more is over 20 continued with just AOL protection(yeah right) software running and being logged out of AOL. Whats more is this firewall kept locking the connection due to the fact that everything was allowed, user id and passwords allowed, but other personal information blocked, it pretty much shut down AOL repeatedly and had to allow all to complete test. My 3.3 ghz P4 Ht processor at home was benching 3.0 and my 22 mbps connection pushing just short of 20. Now for the hell of uninstalling or so AOL calls it. It totally bogged my computer and caused it to bench at 2.5 ghz. RAM was unusually highly used(about 700 MB of 2 GB). Removing invalid registry helped some but didn't fix. Btw almost 4000 the uninstaller missed were removed. Only solution was to completely reformat. Now I'm getting over 21 megs and benching over claimed at 3.5 ghz according to same test. Thank you for exposing this evil company though I hate reformatting, btw do you know a good firewall other than Outpost which don't support ICS thats free to protect a dial up pc I also removed AOL from(it shares the dial up as backup connection for Linux unit). Thanks again.
Title: Re:AOL and the Cablenut Program
Post by: dannjr on October 13, 2005, 12:22:11 am
I recently had the pleasure of trying to straightening out a machine from a office with 2 highspeed connections the connection(s) is load balanced one to cable the other to a T1

This particular machine or the problem between the keyboard and chair (The Boss) decided since the AOL people wanted to give him 5 free years to give it a try..
Well the nightmare came true.. He opened up AOL it opened its TCP connection to the WEB on one connection while his MS-TCP was connected to the other web connection.
A couple of things started right away. (this wasnt caught right away)

Files started to get scanned and within a week his BIOS in his computor was hacked and the timers on the BUSS offset to the point that the Mother board had to be replaced..

Now because of time I dont have the exact link but on the SANs website(Securitys) they showed how AOL will allow you to be hacked with the additional open ports..  try here ( under theyre search for AOL

Because AOL itself will sell to any advertiser I wouldnt in my opinion advise using anything AOL.
SO the moral of this story is: IF its FREE from AOL it comes with a Motherboard price along with new DDR memory and a harddrive.. The Harddrive wasnt bad just didnt need more to go wrong with the machine that stays on 24/7....

ThE bad part is that if AOL went out of business tomarrow the only real people Ide feel bad for is the employee's BUT heck while Ide feal bad the turn over rate at AOL is extreem.. Say anything that isnt on there help screens and they get let go..

As for alternate Chat software MNO has posted his feelings on that.. Me I cant tell you what I use AOL might cut me off  8)
Title: Re:AOL and the Cablenut Program
Post by: The Pretty One on October 23, 2005, 09:18:41 pm
Ah yes, yet even more dirt on AO Hell. I'm sorry to hear it cost your business so much, my hardware was just fine after the nightmarish uninstall I told you guys about in previous post. But this post covers several issues. First AO Hell is mostly gone from my life, at least it and all its "protective" software. My mom seems to not believe me and defends AOL and keeps it on her pc. Whenever her pc is turned on(she's on my router) the firewall I now use(Zonealarm Pro and I do have DMZ set to allow my apps since I can configure Zone Alarm much better without allowing ports) reports all of the previously noted IP addresses trying to connect to or scan  my ports, this does not happen with her pc's power off. Should I be concerned about privacy of my personal pc's data even though firewall reports no breach was allowed to happen? And secondly is a report on McAfee software I once used, this will keep reverting AOL and MSN to server access even though you change it to outbound or blocked, also it never reported any scans from AOL(this also includes firewall plus that you pay for, I found) so it seems McAfee is not only offered by these companies, the paid versions are bought by them, then you're buying them. Seems McAfee is double dipping. Reason I post that here is I have deemed it "AOL related" software and you must be rid of it to finally be free of AOL. It's all worth it in the end, trust me. If you could reply to previous question, I'd appreciate it and good luck everyone!